IVF: A Blessing or a Curse? Part 1 (23.02.10) – TWStuff

so IVF babies are more likely to have health problems than those conceived naturally yes the answer is true the chemo fertilization and embryology Authority IVF tots are 30% more likely to have health problems or some sort of genetic disorder than those who can see convention at first though IVF we ask if it's been a blessing or a curse and more than 10,000 test tube tots are born every year that's real hope for the one in seven couples who have trouble conceiving these days before Louise Brown was born in 1978 women who couldn't get pregnant either had to face up to her childless life or a dog but now with IVF available on the NHS also many private clinics I get the sense there's a growing belief that anyone can now have a baby even women well past natural childbearing age there's a trend if we're going to put off starting a family later and later in life and some some of my friends have truth be told and now coming to terms with the fact that they've missed the boat they thought IVF would hold the answer with some kind of safety net but it didn't the success rate for an IVF cycle is only around 25% but it drops significantly once you're past 35 and couples put themselves and their relationships under enormous pressure are both financially and emotionally in the quest for an IVF baby and then there's the cost to the NHS as well anything between 20 million and two hundred million pounds depending on what you're reading and when we've discussed IVF before it seemed test-tube babies the science has certainly given some of you the notion that a baby is a human right but there are no guarantees Robert one of the IVF pioneers and you what you worked on that Louise Brown would you accept I mean your book deals with the fact that there are negatives for positive advancement do you think that that IVF may have created problems such as this sort of safety net that women my age in particular you use the word blessing or curse I think I knew that there was the phrase use and of course it is a blessing because there a million babies born that wouldn't existed otherwise in the world but it's rather good argue that the country their planet is overpopulated and that more children isn't good because a million a million children in terms of six billion is you know almost entirely irrelevant but again it's the it's the argument about there being a downside to every technology actually one of the most important downsides for me is the huge cost of IVF and I do believe there's a massive amount of overcharging and a huge amount of exploitation of women that I think is a serious consideration so it leads to a lot of technologies like the male infertility treatment being overused in many clinics because it's very convenient for them to do that and I think that's very risky the HFA of course is now saying that there is this higher risk for IVF babies that's been known for quite a long time they tend to be smaller birth weight and if you're born with a small birth weight you're more likely to have illness settle in life at the age of 50 or 60 so for example heart disease is more common if you're of low birth weight when you're born and there are all sorts of unforeseen consequences like that which are beginning to be teased out come of course IVF is a wonderful treatment it's given amazing freedom to all sorts of people but I do think it's used too often I do well I think that there are there are many other fertility treatments which are not being used enough a particularly for example treatments from blocked fallopian tubes which are more successful in IVF but are less use because they require if you like quite a lot of skill to deliver them and also they're time consuming so doctors don't want to do that well IVF is very formulaic it's very easy to deliver and of course it's also quite profitable most IVF is done in private physics and unfortunately how the charges are made is very unclear unclear to me who's been in the trade as it were for a long time and older women women in their 60s well that's a rarity I mean the press use that a lot that's a point the finger arrived yet but the number of number of babies the amount of women that one IVF over the age of 50 is tiny really very very few and you know I don't approve of somebody at the age of 60 having a child but it's not really going to shape the fabric of Great Britain and the the idea of this safety net that women perhaps may delay putting off a child I think what if I do run problems there's IVF there there's this safety net that I could fall back well that's worrying I think that's very much worrying and I think what the most worrying aspect of course is that because we have IVF and because it's commercial there is a disincentive for young doctors young scientists to do the kind of research that was going on 15 or 20 years ago so in fact we're not progressing that treatments are not getting much better everybody's relying on IVF that in my view we should be looking at ways we could actually extend childbearing life naturally and I think you know I think if we said I might start doing that with women being much more healthy at the age of 14 and Evelyn before that would seem to me to be something that we should be doing but we're not doing it because nobody wants to bother to do the research and its really rather sad I think that's one of the biggest issues I think it's fascinating you have such an open mind to it I have to say I didn't know what what your take would be what about you Mel dude can you you know it spits when Lewis Brown was born it was you know that was amazing amazing news 20 yeah I wasn't around I mean I was actually quite skeptical initially I changed my mind subsequently realized we had to be doing it and you know it was very important for us to do it well too so then you know then we started doing a lot of research and so on but how does Louise brown now well this was 1978 so she's now 32 do you think that they're now grandchildren of course yes so I mean I've got quite a few of my patients have had their own children naturally afterwards an entirely positive phenomenon I think they're it's such a huge it's such a huge issue I think there's there are arguments foreign arguments against I mean the only experience I have of it is from friends to friends who've been through IVF they longed for children and they they got children through IVF and it's been a happy ending fantastic so my experience of it is probably pretty positive through them but I mean I don't think it something you go into lightly having this effect that it may persuade women that there's some kind of safety in there a fullback position that didn't exist pre-1978 possibly but I think it's it's I think people think Oh IVF it just happens very easily I don't think it necessarily does it and that's all the women things certainly resulted in a lot of younger women considering freezing their eggs and doing other things like this which i think of very it's very ill-advised because the chances of that treatment actually working are not high it's very expensive and there may be risks in the long term to those embryos that are born as a consequence of that kind of treatment so I'm not much in favor of using more and more technology for what should be a natural predator yeah I mean it's I mean I'm you know like MLM you know I know people that have gone through IVF for some of whom it's worked and some for whom it hasn't and I think one of the things that it's an easy to bypass is that what it does to the woman's body going through IVF is not particularly pleasant you know it's not it's not just something up and having a little injection it's it's a very serious commitment if you're gonna go through with it and you have to look at diet you have to look at your lifestyle and and everything else I think there's a danger with science generally that science will somehow provide the answers because most people look at headlines and they look at the kind of sensational side of it and if a woman the one woman over 60 who has kind of you know quads through IVF then becomes the banner yeah for everyone else to kind of go well science yes that and so whatever problems are in 60 they must be able to help I mean so you know of course I've got another kind of 7 years or more to deal with it I think that's always the danger with science is that you know we as layabouts you know we don't necessarily kind of understand the criteria behind it and we get it through the newspapers and we depending on what which newspaper you read and how much depth has gone into it that will be your view of science I think it's fascinating what Robert was saying about fact that other avenues are no longer being explored are being explored fully I think that that worries me well the technology is rife with stories about women who felt IVF repeatedly I was in a taxi yesterday whether the driver said to me when I came to you at Hammersmith and he said we were very appreciative what you did but the IVF didn't work and eventually you said we went to another clinic and that didn't work there either and then my wife got pregnant naturally and I mean that makes makes it rather humble you know when when happens and that happens quite often what happens there people go through several centers of IVF well conceive naturally what I said I said in a lecture yesterday which made the audience roared laughter that one of the things I noted when I was at Hammersmith was that you know we told people will come to the IVF clinic and they'd been infertile for years and when they left my clinic before they'd had any treatment they were pregnant at the point I was trying to make was of course that you know that actually having somebody perhaps who's just a team of people who are sympathetic and who was sort of trying to get you to rethink about how you're handling the situation might be quite important I don't know you say there's a holistic aspect then to lots of people I've heard of who've had IVF and they've had twins or all trips or whatever then after that go on to have children completely naturally don't they yes so the body is almost used to it so can do it well I mean that I mean you know it's like all sounds you know the more we do the less in some ways we understand and that's why it's such a fantastic ok I think of being want to jump in and take your views on this blessing or curse black or white as per usual let's see what you think first we have Jane on line one

6 Replies to “IVF: A Blessing or a Curse? Part 1 (23.02.10) – TWStuff”

  1. I KNEW IT!!!! IVF is NOT biblical!!! Medical research is for PROFIT!!! There is no such thing as a woman being past childbearing age either!!! All of this sperm and egg freezing and donation is NONSENSE!!!! Revelation 21 KJV

  2. Our society has spoken loud and clear about infertility. The quick fix to infertility in this “fast food” nation centers on assisted reproduction technologies (ART). Just look at the cover of many magazines and you will see features of otherwise infertile women using surrogates to become pregnant or undergoing in vitro fertilization or artificial insemination. With all the attention on the end result of preg­nancy by any means possible, the medical and entertainment industries have not regarded the physical, emotional, and spiritual ramifications of scientifically produced children on the everyday woman. These women are our wives, sisters, and friends. As Christians we want to support them in infertility or get straight answers if we ourselves are dealing with this problem. Medical clinics advertise IVF with the emotionally laden promises of taking home a new baby, but what they do not reveal are the long, painful procedures that lead to complete fertilization. Drug therapy, invasive and time-consuming treat­ments, the ethical considerations of masturbation, destroying fertil­ized embryos, aborting implanted embryos, and a low success rate should all be considered while mak­ing this decision. Personally I went for IVF in Bio tex and I am now a proud mother.

  3. I have noticed a correlation in society with the rise of In Vitro and seemingly soulless humans. Without the permission of God — might those being born out of nature be missing the soul/sol/sun? And does this tie into the biblical separation of the wheat from the tares? Maybe there is a very valid and unforeseen reason why the Creator of this material 3D realm chooses to keep some among us from procreating — but we can not see it from our vantage point?

  4. I fought for my baby with me and infertility. But always there are always some options.
    And you are not alone, unfortunately we all have experience. I passed my
    surrogacy program in Ukrainian center of human reproduction BioTexCom. I know
    that couples who had failed in other ivf clinics, were succeeded there, even
    after the first try. I have my beautiful daughter and very happy. Actually I
    can tell that every clinic has its pros and cons. As I understood my clinic is
    very popular among foreigners. Always when I came in clinic, it was full of
    clients from different countries. There were huge lines to doctor. Always we
    spent much time waiting the procedures. Clinic is not big and sometimes it was
    a problem to find a place to rest. And I remember their rude nurse)) But
    advantages of the clinic are more significant… As for surrogate mother, I
    wanted to choose it by myself. But doctor said that it was her job to find
    appropriate surrogate. Not important how she looks like, but they should check
    her health properly. I didn't like it, but finally I was completely satisfied
    with doctor's choice. Our surrogate was clever and handsome enough) I hadn't
    any doubts that she was caring about our child. Surrogate mother is always
    under the control. Every month they take all analysis, make the tests, and do
    the ultrasound. Intended parents can come in clinic every month and control all
    the procedure. And It is a big pleasure to be present on ultrasound and see a
    baby) During the last trimester there are special nurses who watch the
    surrogate day and night. If intended parents cannot be present every month in
    clinic, managers send ultrasound by mail. As about me, I wasn’t very nervous thinking
    about surrogate. I was sure that she was in good hands) As for biological
    material, clinic positions itself as a clinic which works with fresh material,
    cause it increases the success. I read that during the defrosting material
    loses its quality.  And they transfer blastocyst ( five days old embryo), It also increases the possibility of implantation. I read a lot of articles about it. Nowadays this is proven.  Concerning visits, as I remember it should be 3 times. First to check your health conditions and signing the contract. Second time it was when surrogate was chosen and doctor should take our biological material. And the third one for child registration. But as I said it can be much more if you want to visit ultrasound)

  5. @sassy2131 You should search "Assisted reproductive technology" on Wikipedia it has a good overview of the things available, and look at IVF on the NHS website. I have to admit that I clicked your channel and watched your video so I have to add that I'm more than willing to "help you out" if you need it!

    Seriously though I want to wish you all the luck in the world.

  6. I myself am a 22 year old woman.
    I have been told I cannot have children naturally at all, this has had such an impact on my life emotionally.
    I do hope to one day have children of my own and it seems at the moment my only hope or dream is IVF, although I did try to get my eggs frozen but at the time they said the certain levels of hormones needed to be able to do this were too high. what else is available? I am open to adoption and fostering but want to find other avenues first.

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