James Risen: Reality Winner’s Sentence Is One of the Worst Miscarriages of Justice in Recent History


AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org,
The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman. We’re talking about the latest on NSA whistleblower
Reality Winner, who’s just been sentenced to more than five years—63 months in prison—the
longest sentence ever imposed in federal court for leaking government information to the
media. Reality Winner is 26. She’s the first person to be sentenced under
the Espionage Act since President Trump took office. Her sentencing came Thursday, after she pleaded
guilty in June to transmitting a top-secret document to a news organization. She had faced up to 10 years in prison. Our guests are Reality’s mom, Billie Winner-Davis. We’re also going to be speaking with Jim
Risen of The Intercept, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. But first, right now, we’re going to Kevin
Gosztola, who was in the courtroom yesterday. Kevin, this is the longest-ever sentence of
this type. Please explain. KEVIN GOSZTOLA: Yes, and it should be emphasized
that the Justice Department was quite gleeful about this accomplishment. And people should recognize that Reality Winner
is going to jail for a single count under the Espionage Act. There have been other leak cases. And in most of those cases, the Justice Department
has been able to charge those individuals with several offenses, multiple counts under
the Espionage Act. In the case of Jeffrey Sterling, a CIA whistleblower,
he was sentenced for, I believe it was, seven counts of violating the Espionage Act, ended
up with a total of 42 months in prison. So, just divide that up, and you can tell
that’s way less than five years for a single violation of the Espionage Act. John Kiriakou, CIA whistleblower, he had a
plea agreement for 30 months and did time in federal prison. And while that was for an Intelligence Identities
Protection Act violation, he was prosecuted under the Espionage Act and eventually was
able to bargain out a much, much lower and less severe sentence. So, it does seem like this is extraordinary
when you view Reality Winner’s case. AMY GOODMAN: I want to turn to a statement
from Betsy Reed, editor-in-chief of The Intercept, who wrote, “The vulnerability of the American
electoral system is a national topic of immense gravity, but it took Winner’s act of bravery
to bring key details of an attempt to compromise the democratic process in 2016 to public attention. Those same details were included in the July
indictment of alleged Russian military intelligence operatives issued by Special Counsel Robert
Mueller. Instead of being recognized as a conscience-driven
whistle-blower whose disclosure helped protect U.S. elections, Winner was prosecuted with
vicious resolve,” Betsy Reed wrote, again, editor-in-chief of The Intercept. We’re going to go right now to Jim Risen,
who is a reporter now with The Intercept, The Intercept’s senior national security correspondent,
best-selling author and former New York Times reporter. Also, First Look Media’s Press Freedom Defense
Fund, he’s director of that, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. Jim, you, too, were in the courtroom yesterday. Can you respond to the sentence that Reality
Winner received? JAMES RISEN: I think it was outrageous. I think what has been done by the Trump administration
to Reality is just terrible, and it’s one of the worst miscarriages of justice I’ve
seen in a long time. What Reality Winner did was a public service. The disclosure of the document in this, that
The Intercept published, was—it provided a really important wake-up call to the American
people that the Russian—that Russian intelligence was hacking into the election systems of states. And the Senate Judiciary Committee, in a report
earlier this year, wrote that the Homeland Security Department had failed to adequately
warn state election officials about the Russian hacking threat, and said, in their—in the
Senate report, it said it was only because of press disclosures that state officials
began to be alerted to the Russian threat, cyberthreat, which shows that even Congress
recognizes that what Reality Winner did was a public service. And so, I think one of the things that we
at the Press Freedom Fund want to try to push for is to try to get the government to stop
using this draconian Espionage Act against whistleblowers in the way that they have been. It’s an archaic World War I-era law that
the government uses because it’s so vague that you can charge almost anybody for anything. And it’s not being used against spies anymore. It’s only being used against people who
actually talk to American reporters to reveal important matters. AMY GOODMAN: In a recent sentencing memorandum,
prosecutors argued Reality Winner deserved the unprecedented sentence because, quote,
“the defendant’s unauthorized disclosure caused exceptionally grave harm to our national
security.” Jim Risen, your response? JAMES RISEN: That’s just not true. If you look at the indictment of the 12 Russian
intelligence operatives, virtually the entire information in there is the same information
made public in the—it was based on some of the same information that was in that NSA
document. And the Robert Mueller indictment reveals
that the Russian intelligence operatives that were targeted in this indictment were already
aware, as of 2016, that the U.S. was investigating them and that they were alerted to that not
by the leak to The Intercept, but by other actions taken by the U.S. government, and
that the Russian official who was in charge of the hacking of election systems in that
Russian unit had taken steps in 2016 to protect himself from American intelligence, which
shows that a year before this document was published by The Intercept, other actions
had already been taken by the U.S. government to alert the Russians that they were being
monitored by the United States, which gives the lie to the idea that somehow anything
that we published at The Intercept had anything to do with alerting the Russians about the
American intelligence surveillance of them, and shows that there was no damage caused
by this leak. AMY GOODMAN: Earlier this morning, Jim, President
Trump tweeted, saying, “Ex-NSA contractor to spend 63 months in jail over ‘classified’
information. Gee, this is ‘small potatoes’ compared to
what Hillary Clinton did! So unfair Jeff, Double Standard,” of course,
referring to Jeff Sessions, who he wants to oust as attorney general. What do you make of this tweet? Because also you could argue that this is
a political attack on her because she was talking about Russian interference with the
2016 election, something President Trump doesn’t like discussed. JAMES RISEN: Well, first of all, Donald Trump
is a psycho and shouldn’t be president. He’s crazy. And so he tweets in the middle of the night
about stuff he knows nothing about, every day. So you have to discount this because of that. But he is correct that there is a double standard. It’s just not a double standard with Hillary
Clinton. The double standard is that low-level people
in the intelligence community are the ones who are prosecuted, and not high-level people. If you look at the—the real double standard
here is between the way the Justice Department dealt with someone like David Petraeus, who
was the CIA director, who leaked lots of information to his former mistress and then was never
sent to jail and was given probation, and the way that they’ve—this draconian sentence
against Reality Winner, which is an absurd double standard. That’s the real double standard. The other thing I would say is that the thing
that Trump doesn’t want to admit is that he has politicized the Justice Department
to such a degree that the two of the first three prosecutions of whistleblowers under
his administration are about leaks of information about the Trump and Russia case, both in this
case, which involved the Russian—the investigation of Russian election meddling, and in the case
of Jim Wolfe, the Senate intelligence security officer who has been charged with allegedly
leaking information about Carter Page and the Russia investigation. So, two out of three investigations are about
matters that directly relate to Donald Trump and his campaign. And so I don’t think it’s a coincidence
that the Justice Department has been highly politicized already on these kind of cases. AMY GOODMAN: So, you have Trump tweeting this
comment about Reality Winner, talking about a double standard, and then you have the fact
that Trump could pardon her. In fact, once he tweeted this, this was the
response in social media, talking about—saying, “OK, pardon her.” How likely is this? JAMES RISEN: Well, I think that would be great. I mean, that would show a level of mercy that
we haven’t seen from Donald Trump. But I think that would be great if he does
that. She shouldn’t be in jail in the first place. What she did was a public service. So, anything that can be done to help her,
I’m all for. AMY GOODMAN: Kevin Gosztola, you wrote a long
piece earlier this week about how the government tried to break Reality’s spirit. Can you explain? KEVIN GOSZTOLA: [inaudible] when she was arrested,
the FBI agents backed her into a corner in a back room of her home. They coerced a confession from her. They didn’t read her her Miranda rights. She then, from that point, was immediately
put under this model where you treat a person not like they’re a leaker, not like they’re
someone who spoke to the press, but like they’re a terrorist. She was denied bond immediately. The prosecutors were lying. They fabricated claims based on alleged conversations
between Reality Winner and her family members. They took texts out of context. It’s important to note that that phrase
about hating America came from a joke. And so, if we believe in freedom of speech
or if we believe in reason, they were deliberately misinterpreting or lying about her views toward
America. They made her as if she was somebody who was
a Taliban sympathizer who wanted to go abroad and help people in the Middle East who would
like to do this country harm. They took her Air Force service and turned
it into something that was a negative aspect of her, and they used it to justify keeping
her in prison and denying her bail, even though she committed a nonviolent offense. And there are people who have committed violent
crimes who do not go to jail before they are convicted. From that point onward, she was kept in a
county jail in Lincolnton County, and there she suffered an assault by a state inmate. She’s a federal inmate. So she had to take this and lie down in the
fetal position, and she couldn’t fight back, because she didn’t want any additional charges
to be added to her case. Onward, whenever she wanted to go to the courthouse
to work on her case, as Reality’s mother has discussed, she was strip-searched, very
arbitrarily, not necessarily because they had suspicion that she’s someone who would
traffic contraband, but because that’s just the way in which they wanted to show they
had control over Reality Winner. And so you put someone in a situation where
you wear them down when it comes to working on their own defense. You make it impossible for them to get subpoenas
to put together a valid defense. You make it impossible for someone to put
on a public interest defense to argue why they released the leak, to put on any kind
of whistleblower defense. And then, eventually, you get the person to
a point where they accept a plea deal, because it’s much better than going to prison for
10 years. You’ll take five years with the possibility
of getting out of jail soon. AMY GOODMAN: As you to listen to that description,
your comments? And also, talk about how this relates to your
being head of the First Look Media’s Press Freedom Defense Fund. JAMES RISEN: Well, we at the Press Freedom
Fund, we’ve been very proud to help fund Reality’s legal defense. It’s one of the first cases that we’ve
funded since I took over the fund last fall. And I think it’s a real good case for—of
press freedom, because what she did, or what she is alleged to have done, as I said earlier,
is a public service. And it really was one of the few moments in
the last year and a half where the American people got a clear warning that their election
systems were being hacked by the Russians. It was no longer just a hack of the Democratic
committee’s emails; this was a direct hack of the American election system. The Russians were attempting to change voting
patterns by getting into voting machines. And the United States government had failed
to adequately warn anyone that that was going on, until this document was released. The idea that that is somehow a bad thing
is ridiculous. It shows you how absurd and Kafkaesque this
entire prosecution has become. And so, we’ve been very proud to help pay
her legal defense. AMY GOODMAN: Has this case changed the way
The Intercept receives documents? And explain what she pled to. She mailed a document—she had said this
is the case, is that right—to The Intercept? JAMES RISEN: I’m sorry, I couldn’t hear
you there. Sorry. AMY GOODMAN: Explain what Reality Winner has
pled to. She said she mailed a document to The Intercept,
that she had access to as an NSA contractor with this corporation, Pluribus—I think
it’s called Pluribus International Corporation— JAMES RISEN: Right, right. AMY GOODMAN: —in Augusta. JAMES RISEN: Right. AMY GOODMAN: And has it changed how The Intercept
receives and then reveals documents, having placed that document then online, The Intercept
did? JAMES RISEN: Well, I think—I can’t really
discuss how we handle things internally. But I think it’s safe to say that this has
been an important—this was important for us, because it really, as I said, was an important
and great story. I think the idea that The Intercept—we receive,
actually, quite a bit of anonymous information, and we continue to receive a lot of documents
and other information from a number of sources anonymously and from people who are named. And so, we’re going to continue to always
try to deal with that in the best way possible. And I think we have a—as you mentioned earlier,
I just came from The New York Times last year, and I can tell you that The Intercept handles
material that is sensitive, that comes from sources, as well as any other news organization
in the United States, and has a very high standard for the way in which they handle
internal security on such sensitive matters, and will continue to do so. AMY GOODMAN: Jim, you yourself were subpoenaed,
not under the Trump administration, but under the Obama administration. Can you just explain your own case—because
even as you were reporting and winning a Pulitzer Prize on covering the Obama administration,
they were going after you—and how that resolved? JAMES RISEN: Yeah. I mean, actually, I was first subpoenaed by
the Bush administration, and then the Obama administration continued it and got new subpoenas. I was first subpoenaed in a grand jury—for
a grand jury, to testify about sources for my book State of War, that came out in 2006. And I was subpoenaed in 2008 by the Bush administration
to testify before a grand jury. And then the Obama administration renewed
that subpoena, and the judge quashed it—actually, quashed two grand jury subpoenas. And then they subpoenaed me to testify at
a trial in—later, after, in that same case, and that subpoena was quashed by the judge. But the Obama administration appealed that
to the appeals court. And in their appeal, they wrote a brief saying
that there was no such thing as a reporter’s privilege, which meant that they believed
there was no legal right for a reporter not to be forced to testify about their sources. And the court of appeals agreed with the Obama
administration on that. And then I took the case to the Supreme Court,
because—and the Supreme Court refused to take the case. And then, in 2015, I was—I had to appear
at a pretrial hearing to determine whether or not I was going to testify or not. And I said I would not. And the Obama administration, at the last
minute, backed off and decided not to send me to jail. And so the case ended at that point.

100 Replies to “James Risen: Reality Winner’s Sentence Is One of the Worst Miscarriages of Justice in Recent History”

  1. Oooohhhh FUCK that Intercept guy. Okay, here's what Amy Goodman was trying to get at: When Reality submitted her documents to the Intercept, one of their reporters handed it straight to the intelligence community, watermarks and all, to verify if it was real. THAT is what got Reality Winner busted; the Intercept handled the information she gave them in the wrong way. They should never have handed the original document over to government officials, and they acknowledged this disgusting error on their behalf by paying for Reality's legal bills (does her little good now).

    That reporter answered Amy Goodman's question in the same, bullshit vague manner that politicians do when they've been caught with their pants down: "The Intercept handles sensitive material as well as any other newspaper in the United States (can anyone say deflection?), and has a very high standard for which they handle internal security (that's not answering the question, that's just trying to cut straight to repairing your reputation without taking responsibility) on such sensitive matters and will continue to do so."

    The Intercept has good reporting, but they're incompetent when it comes to handling sensitive material. Whistleblowers: DON'T GO TO THE INTERCEPT.

  2. Reality 2020 – Best Presidential Candidate I've seen in 60 years. The only one in all that time with the courage to actually tell the truth and protect America from attack; no bone spur or brain spur problems here. Does anyone know what date they're broadcasting her Silver Star commendation?

  3. I knew it – Democracy Now always an issue with biased guests or repeating the lies of Hamas, here – JAMES RISEN is PAID by The Intercept itself, that is his workplace.

  4. Trump is making a statement by being so harsh on Ms. Winner via the justice system. Reality is very brave, but now she is being a head on a pike to anyone who dare cross Trump's GOP.

  5. I am strongly considering unsubscribing to Democracy Now for continuing to push this "Russiagate" nonsense. The DNC was not hacked. No proof that it was has ever been made available to the public and the FBI was not allowed to examine the server.

  6. miscarriage of justice….well, welcome to the Black community! We (Black Humans) suffer greatly living under white hatred.

  7. Why is she a whistleblower and Edward snowden is a leaker Amy? Politics? Biased journalism?
    https://youtu.be/6Y9GdnnE-vs

  8. Mueller indicted my Pontiac Torrent which (as far as I know) hasn't done anything all that bad.  True, the tire inflation gauge doesn't work anymore.  It says my tire pressure is zero which, admittedly, it is not.  But I would argue that that is not a case of lying…though I suppose that is debatable.

  9. Anything to keep our corrupt legal and political sewer flowing (national security used as an excuse for any barbarism). Kobach suppresses votes and he's a hero. Winner speaks truth and goes to jail. The Trump cabal is destroying America and they don't want interference. The stupendously rich Koch brothers even want to change the constitution.

  10. People are in danger because leadership in the US is dysfunctional. Whips and Leaders are the true crux of the corruption. They were created during the height of Government corruption in 1899 and 1900. They were NOT implemented by the framers of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. Congress is manipulated by Whips and Leaders to broker the bills in a profiteering manner to 501c's, corporations and other countries. The myth is Congress is a weak victim overpowered by the large money lobbyist. But the truth, Congress is the tyranny understanding they have a monopoly selling bills and are aggressive at it. You want a bill passed you have to come through them, so bring your American Express card. There is no defensible argument, Congress betrayed their Fiduciary duty. Whips and Leaders should have been eliminated with Antitrust in the early 1900's. Whips and Leaders front run our republic. This isn't a Democracy, it's not a Republic, it's a coup d'état and the Whips and Leaders are the party of guilt. This should be made into a documentary Amy.

  11. Exactly why Edward Snowden handled himself the way he did. Whistleblowers MUST BE PROTECTED, NOT PROSECUTED. Chump is the one who should be INCARCERATED FOR TREASON.

  12. This is the corrupt Republicans doing this and Trump. Reality did not deserve the consequence received and it is sickening. She caught our government betraying us and tired to save the nation. The GOP and Trump are ruling like Fascist Dictators and are trying to scare anyone else who knows the truth about Trump. This must be overturned. How much other dirt is out that that people are afraid to tell? This is not a militant dictatorship getting rid of anyone who knows the truth about this corrupt administration.

  13. Good job i am not employed in the secret service i would tell everybody everything,probably end up getting life,anyway damn governments are hiding too much from the people.

  14. "I think what has been done by the Trump admin to Reality, is terrible" I agree, what theyve done to our reality is pretty fucked

  15. don't worry, they'll make an award winning movie about her in 30 years and everyone will know how much of a hero she was. i heard that she is looking for the right newborn to play her in the movie as we speak. in other words, why in the hell are we prosecuting and torturing whistleblowers!?!?!

  16. Glenn Greenwald has shown himself to be a real cad and morally ambiguous figure over the last few years. Ms. Winner really made a huge mistake putting her trust in him.

  17. This is Trumps American fascism hard at work. it's bullshit like this that convinces most of us that America is not a democracy, but a corporate Plutocracy!

  18. No it wasn't.

    She believe democratic lies rather than doing her own due diligence.

    A worst misscarage of justice is getting busted for 80 years on old tax charges that everyone in DC does the same.

  19. I refuse to accept the claim that someone named reality winner exists. I see this as a psy-op in its entirety.

  20. only 5 years? thats good. they could have gave her ten. wont be long and she will be free again. thank you Reality, for your service to the truth!

  21. I don't buy this at all.
    She was set up, in order to intimidate leakers and to lend credence to this false narrative of Trump Russia collusion.
    They knew if they left info that she had access to that she would take it and leak it.

  22. Some people are MORE EQUAL than others. 😏 She'll be out before the 5 years. Wait awhile, until Orange Julius and his gang are ousted. It's coming.

  23. It had been reported that the government was able to identify Reality Winner as the source of the leak only because The Intercept forwarded her print-out, which contains coded microprinting that identifies her printer, on to them for corroboration and comment. If that is true, then The Intercept is directly responsible for Winner's incarceration by being either complicit or at least tortiously negligent in their handling of her submission. Why didn't Amy Goodman ask Risen to address this apparent breach of trust? She made a false start in that direction but veered off to pat Risen on the back instead. The doubt still remains, then: how can any whistleblower trust The Intercept not to rat them out?

  24. WHO from the Intercept Outed Her? Marcy Wheeler.
    Obama told Putin to his face to ''…knock it off. We know what you're doing…".
    Reality brought it to light because they weren't doing their jobs.

  25. Why do they call her that? If they wrote a story like they did with the “Axis of you evil,” wouldn’t they name a character in the story, “Reality Winner.” George W. Bush dropped a bomb in Iraq, you know what he called it, “Good morning Baghdad.” Like a comic book. You know what Nixon’s Foreign policy was called, real politic. You know what they call alternative media, fake news. There is a play of oppositions, Derrida, but that’s called “post truth,” now. It doesn’t change the trace. The trace is real.

  26. This poor girl was doomed from the get go !! What a fucking stupid name to saddle a child with ! Don't do it to your kid folks!!

  27. trump pardons and supports crooks, bigots, racists… and jails patriots. the press is the enemy of the people, latino refuge seekers are tortured, and he's in the pockets of the russian mob… nothing to see here folks, keep moving along.

  28. what if she was doing her job as a member of the IC and noone is seeing it correctly. and then all the sheep either call her a sheep or a traitor and it misdirects as to wether its reality or not

  29. Ok. If she's pardoned by President Trump, then, at least by my point of view, all charges levied against the likes of Julian Assange and Edward Snowden should be dropped.

  30. The NSA , the CIA and the US intelligence agencies have nothing but contempt and deep hatred for the people of the United States. As a people we must withdraw support for them at every opportunity as well as the corporate industrial prison complex.

  31. And just think, Hills was selling classified info and access to anyone around the world from her wide open bathroom server. Heroes go to jail while the clowns continue to run the circus.

  32. A threat to "national security"? Try "a threat to Establishment corruption". Reality was shedding light on the crooks who, by all rights, should be going to jail in her place. It may be hoping too much, but I hope she finds clemency and the true criminals get hung by their own avarice…

  33. Reality Winner is Americas first ever political prisoner, by Americas first ever authoritarian, dicktator president

    She will be pardoned the very second! the Democrats win the 2020 presidential elections.

    Trump is the MOST corrupt and criminal president in history. Trump didn't want EVERYONE! to know that Putin was working with him to steal the 2016 election, and that is why Reality Winner got this ridiculously over the top 5 years.

  34. To be deemed a criminal by the Trump administration and his cronies, is to already have been vindicated as a patriot by a future history. To speak truth against lies, is to have the moral high ground. Reality Winner is a digital Paul Revere.

  35. I believe Russia had nothing to do with the election hacking in 2016. What I believe is that Putin decided to get any weapons from the US he went along with the DNC plan to be the scapegoat or the person to blame for the election of Donald Trump. Which in reality Hillary Clinton was responsible for that decision and Debbie Watson who acted on the plan and destroyed the Progressive Party so they thought will come back for them in 2020.

  36. The problem is she did a good thing for democracy which is technically illegal, but worse, she did not learn from Edward Snowden and was not careful enough to protect herself. Such whistleblowers are either incredibly courageous, or merely people with good conscience but hopelessly naive. I hope future whsitleblowers learn from this and follow Snowden's model.

  37. Risen suffers severely form verbal Diarrhoea against the President. Reality does not deserve any prison time but Hillary deserves life without parole in solitary.

  38. heads up folks! this is what the FBI really is!! take heart world. and to opine about said agency's upsidefrickendown reaction, I say if you look deeper you'd find that it was the DeepState posing as Russia hacking the software. why else would they be going bonkers?! what a great display of public service by Miss Winner! though she may have inadvertently exposed a loose thread in the fabric of evil.

  39. Wait she revealed that Russia was trying to interfere with elections and got punished for it yet barely anyone in the Russiagate obsessed MSM is talking about this!?!! That doesn't make any sense.

  40. Obama already stated on tv that Russians are doing this. This so called leak wasnt a new information for anyone and his solution is, "i told him to cut it out".
    Obamas solution to this problem was cheap and noneffective,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnY4HyofnoU

  41. I'm not surprised because Trump and his supporters didn't want the Russian connection to be exposed.
    Hope she gets out sooner and stays safe.

  42. The hate speech crime of calling half of America; racist-Nazis has forced 75% of progressives to walk away from the DemocRAT party of love. Proof;
    MILLIONS of Trump haters are no longer marching in the streets,
    & no more weekly Confederate statue removals,
    & gone are those massive ANTIFA violence in all major cities,
    And gone are; Occupy marches,
    Campus anti-free speech protests,
    Road blockades at Trump rallies,
    Race riots,
    School walk-outs,
    Black Lives Matter demonstrations,
    METOO,
    NFL,
    CNN,
    HarveyWoodSexCriminals,
    Kathy Griffin,
    Megyn Kelly,
    Oscars
    Grammys
    Grown men with skate boards and hair buns,
    AND SOON;
    FaceBook,
    Twitter
    YouTube?
    November will see Obomber and Hillary hung for treason.

  43. My own, my native land is worst scourge of this Earth. To 1982 hearing of the Joint Economic Committee, Admiral Rickover said, “I think the human race is going to wreck itself. I have nuclear powered ships. That is a necessary evil. I would sink them all. Have I given you an answer to your question?” He also said, “It is important that the public be correctly informed.” He belatedly managed to expose that US warmongers had been too eager to blame Spain for sinking the Maine. National will to kill and jail is easily whipped up. How many government insiders might have prevented how many stupidly brave people from dying, for what, in Vietnam if they had leaked that a presidential war powers resolution following Gulf of Tonkin was fatally flawed, which all knew; however just false flag hysteria in fact. It was sneaky copycatted Spanish American War trickery warmed over. Naval personnel willing or unwillingly acted as God damned fools, both times. When citizens faithful to patriotic fault and blinded naturally want to be deceived, truth tellers get jailed. FREE ASSANGE

  44. It is curious to think how long Edward Snowden would be in jail, or if he had even survived to be tried in court had he not fled to Russia.
    It's also curious that Reality thought, "I took it and I don't care!", which isn't surprising, but if she had a different personality, and she and Edward certainly do have different personalities, she might have planned to leave the country.
    Although I'm unsure if she had the time to plan like Snowden did.
    Except then how does the information that she took end up with the media like with Snowden?
    And since Snowden is a traitor and will never be allowed back in the US, and did what he did when Obama was the President, it seems to me that it doesn't matter which party is in power, they don't care about whistleblowers.

    Oh! and how would people Rank

    Reality Winner
    Edward Snowden
    Chelsea Manning

    On level of courage?

  45. It’s Over….It’s Over…. our so called democracy in America is a total complete farce when a whistle blower tells the truth about our hostile enemy Russia 🇷🇺. And goes to jail for it. It’s Over people.

  46. Does the Government SERVE us? Or do they RULE us? The dream was murdered decades ago, all that remains is a maggot infested corpse.  We do still get to participate in a shame election process designed to give the impression that we are choosing our leadersgots, but the choice is "This maggot, or that maggot".

  47. America is being run by the greedy, idiotic & sociopathic, which – contrary to popular American belief are NOT good leadership qualities, unless your idea of heaven is – hell on earth. NOW would be a good time to start practicing your humanity as a united people across all states before your inhumane overlords devour you!

  48. Epstein and all child molesters get off easier than marijuana offenders. We the people want child rapists given death sentences. How dare they call us criminals just to make money and fill their private run /owned prisons while the dangerous rich ones go free. If we all quit signing up for their police and military they'd get the message and change their laws real quick.

  49. Democracy Now! (Unreality Now!) does not fairly describe the prosecution and punishment of Reality Winner. She signed a security pledge and intentionally violated it. If one grants to every signer of a US security pledge the discretion to decide which government secrets should be made public, then there will be no secrets. Granting such discretion is a sure-fire way to instigate attacks upon American citizens, military, and public officials. Granting this discretion will result in the deaths of thousands if not millions of Americans. Keep in mind that Reality Winner confidentially wrote hatefully about the USA and glowingly about Islamic society. Had she not been stopped it is very likely that she would have inflicted far greater damage.

  50. Where is Rachel Maddow? Wouldn't she be all over this? And where is the outrage from MSM and the Democrats. They been yelling Russia Russia Russia for two years but ignore the real proof. And how is Chelsey Manning suddenly forgotten to make this the worst case. Because Obama is a Democrat? Is there anyone who cares more about people then politics?!

  51. 63 months sentencing is harsh? Ha! This is treason, not heroism. Am I the only one that sees it for what it is? No mention of Reality trying to burn the White House? Her anti-American posts on social media? She should have a life sentence, in Guantanamo!

  52. US Govt doesn't want Americans to see this young blond gal go to prison so mainstream media kept this on the low and toss out the key. Be Strong. American's have right to know what sh*t our government and military industrial complex and corporations are doing to our nation, the world and democracy. they don't want her to become heroic icon…

  53. Reality was determined to kill Potus family and all in the Whitehouse, including General Kelly etc. Reality hated America and Americans . Well paid for being a spy 🕵️‍♀️ the Memory stick was never recovered as she had earned a fortune for selling secrets. After she had killed those in the Whitehouse Reality was going to take her new found fortune and move to I think it was Azerbaijan or similar in comfort for the rest of her life. But she had to use some of her spying wealth for her Lawyers, so it diminished. She could afford to be generous to her mom. Refused to apologise for wanting to kill Potus and all those in the Whitehouse!

  54. I thought this story was going to be about someone winning a reality tv show and got thrown in jail for it. But no, its about someone with a really STUPID name that got thrown in jail….
    If ever we do decide to punish people for having stupid names, i call this a good start!

  55. the espionage act is a criminal (law) that. limits ,,break our human rights ,freedom of speech freedom of press ,freedom to speak the truth…..And protect the criminal acts of the government…of the big boys, the rich and powerful …

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