Viewing of Ultrasound Image Prior to Abortion


senator Bentsen Senate file 1168 thank you madam chair place and move Senate file 1168 before this body and members there’s been a lot of public conversation about the topic of abortion hmm actually a friend of one of my son’s was in a speech class and she was talking about the impact of 3d abortions or 3d ultrasounds on women who were contemplating abortion she came to me and she said with all the conversation is there anything that we can do in Minnesota and I had carried this bill last year and then she put me in touch with the doctor who runs a free ultrasound clinic and that doctor talked to me for an hour and a half on a Friday night and explained all the stages of development that women come into her clinic sometimes with the dads sometimes with the friends and they see the ultrasound at whatever stage of development for this baby and they have that moment of realization when they are not just pregnant that they have a baby and there are tears sometimes and there is fear sometimes but they see the profile and the face and the fingers we can see hair on ultrasounds now and so these moms and dads who are facing a new challenge because of an ultrasound come to the realization that they are parents so that is why I’m bringing this bill today because we need to have this conversation so in the preparation for an abortion a doctor may require an ultrasound this bill doesn’t demand an ultrasound not unlike the ultrasound that I talked about earlier the doctor looks at the baby but we’re not requiring that the mother be shown the ultrasound we’re just requiring that the doctor offer that if an ultrasounds performed that it can be viewed by the mother undergoing this procedure ponder if you will any circumstance where a doctor would perform a test and not offer the results to the patient so all we’re asking is that if a if this test if this diagnostic test is performed on a woman that she be offered the opportunity to learn what we can glean from that test we do have some testifiers here to tell you why they support this bill and of course there are some who are in opposition that is the nature of what we do and so first I would like to call up miss Andrea Rao hello ms Ralph please state your name for the record Thank You Madame chair and members of the committee my name is Andrea Rao and I represent Minnesota citizens concerned for life MCC L is Minnesota’s oldest and largest grassroots pro-life organization and as Senator Benson said and this is really very straightforward legislation it does not require hardly anything at all it doesn’t require an ultrasound to be done even though that is the standard of care in abortion procedures it merely says if an ultrasound is going to be done they it is required that the woman be asked if she wants to view it it allows the decision to be made by the woman by nobody else but herself if she wants to see it or not the reality is is some women do regret the decision to have an abortion many women do not some women do those that are most likely to regret are the ones that maybe when they’re there at the table undergoing this procedure starting the process they would like to see they’re not a hundred percent certain but they’ve convinced themselves for the moment that they’re going to go through with it those are the women that are most likely to regret later in life I think we can all agree that we don’t want any woman to ever have an abortion and later regret that decision that’s a decision that she can never come back from that’s what this legislation is about it’s not about changing a woman’s mind it’s not about telling a woman that she can’t have an abortion if that’s what she wants it’s not about shaming women and requiring them to look at something they don’t want to see it’s not about any of that it’s about making sure that a woman has every bit of information in front of her so that she can make the decision that is best for herself and that is what this legislation seeks to do and that is why we are so grateful that chair Benson is is bringing it forward we think it’s a very important step in the direction of making sure that women are really fully informed and able to make these decisions thank you miss row to the next testifier and sit out a man chair miss rod does have some written testimony that she would like and Senator Benson is in our pack it madam chair it is not unfortunately Ann Taylor was on the list to testify today she had provided me with a copy of her testimony but unfortunately last minute she was unable to attend because her child was sick I would be happy I have one poorly copied version of her written testimony and I’d be happy to submit that to the committee but she did ask that I read it at least in part that’d be wonderful Thank You mr. okay thank you please proceed so this is the testimony of Ann Taylor and and she says thank you madam chair and members of the committee I am a mom infrequent testifier in support of bills protecting our children specifically in education I’m also a licensed real estate assistant grassroots organizer part-time backstock supervisor the family cook and family planner including but not limited to music lessons concerts and ballet practices but before all of this in my previous life I lost two children to abortion along with my late husband from an opioid overdose all by the age of 30 in 1998 I had my first abortion at a Planned Parenthood clinic where I was denied seeing the ultrasound image just moments before the actual abortion procedure took place after waiting nearly three hours for my scheduled abortion when my name was finally called I was prepped as if I was going to have an annual pap smear well the nurse began to spread a cool clear gel on my abdomen to prep for the ultrasound she flipped on a monitor and began to move the across my lower belly I asked the nurse can I see it see what she said rather distant and not looking up timidly I asked can I see the picture no I’m afraid not today what’s the nurses response to my request I was approximately ten weeks along in the pregnancy I know we’re trying to move things along so I’m gonna skip just a little bit of it then she says it is the standard of care to provide an ultrasound exam prior to an abortion Senate file 1168 offers women the choice to accept or deny seeing this image of the fetus I believe this absolutely should be used to council as Senate file 1186 offers women the opportunity to accept or deny seeing an ultrasound image of the fetus any time prior to the performance of an abortion and absolutely should be used as counsel prior to any surgical abortion procedure every patient has a right to oral consent and should not be coerced one way or another on the opportunity to either view or decline to view an active ultrasound image of an unborn child I support this bill because I would not want another woman to be denied the right to view her ultrasound image the way I was women deserve to make their decisions based on all the information they have available before them I don’t know if I would have changed my mind had I seen the ultrasound photos what I do know is that in order for women to make the best decision for themselves they need to be offered their complete medical information and to decide for themselves whether or not they want to pursue an abortion based on that information it’s her right her record and her right to have this information please consider what I have had to say today regarding my abortion experience and support Senate file 1168 thank you thank you Miss ROM please tell Miss Taylor thank you for her testimony and members if anybody would like a copy of that handwritten testimony we can certainly get that to everyone thank you and super senator Benson madam chair miss Stephanie Gavin miss Gavin welcome to this committee hearing and please state your name for the record thank you excuse me chair and member of the committee’s thank you for allowing me to speak today my name is Stephanie Gavin I was 18 when I found out I was pregnant like most women who are faced with an unplanned pregnancy I was scared confused and panicked I needed an out a way to make my life go back to normal I first thought that an abortion was probably my best option but I knew that whatever decision I made would be life-changing and I wanted to get as much information as possible I ended up going to a place that did ultrasound and they gave me the opportunity to watch the ultrasound which I was glad for I ended up it ended up being the biggest factor in my final decision seeing what was actually going on inside my body resulted in me making the decision that was best for me I can’t think of any reason why all women considering abortion shouldn’t at least be given the option to see their own ultrasound information is powerful and women deserve all the information that’s available thank you for letting me speak thank you miss Gavin senator Benson thank you and madam chair was told that there is someone who didn’t want to speak against the bill but I don’t have their name on my list and so if you would invite yes miss Andrea Leger executive direction from near all pro-choice Minnesota Thank You mr. Allen madam chair members of the committee thank you for the opportunity to testify today against this bill my name is Andrea Leger I’m executive director of Neriah choice Minnesota this bill singles out a safe medical procedure for unnecessary additional regulation and substitutes political judgment for that of medically trained professionals according to a landmark study released last year called safety and quality of abortion care in the United States by the National Academies of Sciences engineering and medicine medical excuse me medicine complications from abortion are extremely rare what can be extremely dangerous according to the study’s authors are quote abortion specific regulations in many states that create barriers to safe and effective care the study specifically singled out state mandated state mandated ultrasound requirements is the type of clinical service that is best determined by a professionally trained physician and not mandated by legislation such as this well an ultrasound can be an important tool for doctors when used for medically necessary reasons feels like Senate file 3194 are designed to substitute politicians judgment for a conversation that needs to happen between a woman and her doctor you have written testimony from both the Minnesota Medical Association and the Minnesota section of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists opposing this bill because of its interference in that doctor-patient relationship just last year Governor Dayton vetoed an identical bill noting that quote providers are already fulfilling their legal ethical and professional duties to fully inform their patients of the benefits risks and alternatives of any medical procedure the decision about if and when to have a child is deeply personal a woman and her family and consultation with her doctor must make the decision that is right for them without interference from politicians I urge you to oppose this bill and I thank you for the opportunity to testify is intervention thank you madam chair um there’s nothing that mandates an soon we leave that decision exclusively to the provider we only say that if a test is performed on a woman that the woman should have the opportunity to know the results of that test or the outcome of a diagnostic assessment so a woman who has an ultrasound performed should be offered the opportunity to see the results of that ultrasound there’s no mandate for an ultrasound and it was mentioned a couple of times there’s no mandate professional judgment remains at the beginning we just ask for a conversation because a conversation is important as you stated a conversation at this point in time is important and there’s often a mismatch of information in making medical decisions and we want there to be as much shared information as possible in making this decision so I thank you for your testimonial 2 questions for Miss ledger this ledger yes I think there is a question for you senator Kiffmeyer thank you Miss ledger for being here today yes one thing I see is in the the title here on our agenda that you’re an organization for a pro-choice I would just ask you what’s wrong with giving the woman the choice to see her own body on an ultrasound why is that so wrong I mean we’re not mandating it not requiring it but if it is done to give the woman the choice to see the ultrasound of her own body why is why is that why are you opposed to that choice miss Leger madam chair senator Kiffmeyer thank you for the question it’s not that I am opposed to the choice I think this is the opposition is a mandated conversation between a doctor and a patient we have physicians who have years and years of medical training both professional standards who already in the course of their care for any kind of procedure any kind of medical problem our making sure that patients are aware of their test results and communicating those results from them and our belief is that it’s not necessary to single out this one procedure for a mandated conversation to take place we all thank you thank you madam chair and thank you miss ledger for that answer I know that we just disagree on that and I do think that when I think of all of the areas that I’ve been involved with over my lifetime of being in in nursing that more and more society has gone to matter of fact we have electronic medical records where I can go look up my own labs it used to be a secret in there I had a weight and now I’m able to go see lab tests and lab results and see all kinds of things they show us our x-rays I mean it’s become a standard of being able to do that what we’re mandating here is for the woman to be given the choice that’s all thank you Sarah Nelson oh thank you madam chair I do not see anywhere in the new language which is simply lines three point one nine through three point two three I don’t see anything in this new language that talks about a conversation the language in the bill I would encourage everyone to just read those five lines it just states that the physician or the physician’s agent shall orally inform the patient of the opportunity to view or decline to the or to decline to view the active ultrasound image of the unborn child that is only if an ultrasound has been performed so I I don’t understand the concern about a conversation when specifically this simply states that if the ultrasound has been taken that the woman should be provided the opportunity to view it or to decline to view it just like any other test result so are you referring to other language in the bill or what are you basing the opposition on regarding a conversation this ledger madam chair senator Nelson I think the my interpretation of orally informing is a conversation that would be the physician or the physicians agent speaking to the patient I guess um thank you madam chair I guess that’s a pretty strict interpretation just reforming them the opportunity to view or decline so thank you for clarifying that I just want to make sure that it was clear on the record that there’s nothing requiring any kind of conversation Thank You senator thank you madam chair well senator Bentsen I have to say that I find this um built insulting to doctors and nurses insulting to women because it assumes that they haven’t given this decision careful and thorough thought this bill undermines a long-standing practice of informed consent patient and their doctor openly discussed the diagnosis prognosis and possible options privately and without outside interference and it’s not about health care this bill is about shaming a woman for her decision to have it to end a pregnancy and women already have the right to see their ultrasound I mean this assumes that they don’t know to ask for it we have a legal professional and ethical obligation to share with a page I’m a registered nurse and I have that obligation to share with the patient all relevant information before they go through a procedure that involves their health care like I said I find this insulting to the nursing profession the medical profession and to women in general for the comments senator Franzen thank you madam chair my comments are how would this be enforced how do you see Senator Benson as how do you enforce this and make sure that doctors don’t end up in litigation because they didn’t sign a consent form that they’ve actually seen an ultrasound I’m just being practical I don’t see how this bill actually solves the issue you’re trying to address it’s under an existing section of law so folk woman has an ultrasound and it’s not offered there’s an existing section of law where they would have had to have been communicated with would fit under the informed consent laws that already exist senator Franzen thank you madam chair I don’t have that language senator Bentsen in front of me so how it worked practically does a person who’s seen the does a provider have to how does that consent happen I mean it’s oral it doesn’t seem could be your word against mine that I was that offered that the to see an ultrasound or not in terms of that situation it’s usually two people in a room I’ve never been in that situation so I don’t know there’s more but I’m just practically asking what how would this be enforced and how do you protect providers and patients that this is actually going to happen senator Benson um thank you madam chair it fits under these same communication in the language that starts on page 1.6 that all of those risks have to be communicated medical risks whether or not anesthesia will be used so it’s already existing law that we are adding to madam chair sit on principle so I keep hearing that it’s not mandating an ultrasound but I’m not a doctor or a nurse in this committee but I have been pregnant before and have two beautiful kids and I know that to know how old an educational period of how old your baby is you I don’t think you can do that but by your an example you actually or sample you actually have to get an ultrasound someone might correct me if I’m wrong but it seems like you already have to have an ultrasound to even know we qualify for a legal abortion and that’s what we’re talking about legal abortion under our laws which is as I assume safe abortion and regulated highly so you need to know that the fetus is of a certain gestational age to be able to legally have an abortion in our state so how else would you know if we’ve not for an ultrasound so you’re saying we’re not mandated an ultrasound but I don’t think you understand that it’s it’s it’s assumed you’re gonna get ultrasound if you’re gonna be having an abortion that Senator Benson madam chair we used to determine gestational age before their world tour sounds available there are other ways it’s based on biology well madam chair and again I I wish dr. Klein or dr. Jensen were here maybe they can elaborate because they’re doctors they’re not obstetricians but I have two letters in the packet from doctors associations that represent doctors that I value highly I’ve worked with both of them and know some of the names on one of them personally and and it disturbs me that when we’re trying to meddle into their profession they are not being heard and I don’t know if they’re testifying here of their present here I just have the letters and they represent quite a number of doctors that are doing this on a daily basis or per you know taking care of women’s health so I just find it hard to believe that we want to regulate an industry when they’re not asking to be regulated and in their following their expertise their ethical standards and then we’re here from the capital trying to tell them how to do something we have no idea what it’s like and Janssen again we are not mandating that they do anything outside their medical judgment we are asking them to communicate the results of a diagnostic assessment with the patient frankly we passed through this committee prescribing restrictions that they weren’t happy about either madam chair senator Franzen senator Bentsen I I know we do that we do scope of practice but we usually have them on here talking about what they do and listen to them I just I find it really hard to move something like this forward without getting particular specific information from doctors asking for them to have regulations and their practice and I’m madam chair senator Bentsen – senator Franzen’s point no one was told know anyone in the public is welcome to testify on this bill as they choose they chose to submit in written form and we accept testimony in many forms but if they choose written form instead of coming to the table answering questions that is up to them madam chair and I understand this is a delicate issue and it’s very personal that’s why probably you know people don’t talk about this that much there’s a conversation out there there states that are going above and beyond I believe that this issue of abortion has been settled law under our United States Constitution but it also the premise of this bill I have issue with because as senator Kiffmeyer mentioned it assumes that women don’t have a choice what we do we have a choice to be in the situation where we’re actually carrying child we made that choice we have a choice to go to the doctor and go sit there and listen to our options and to perform whatever procedures we have a choice and they have a choice I don’t think having an oral discussion is gonna change it choice frankly but you know we’re talking about not mandating the language in the bill is a mandated bill it says shall it doesn’t say me I think I’d be more comfortable it’s if it said me but it says Shaw on line three point two one and a physician or physicians agent shall it doesn’t say may it’s not permissive language so it is a mandate and it seems to be very prescriptive on a very personal decision a personal healthcare decision between patient and doctor and to have some of them most recognized and prestigious organizations in our stead represent those doctors in our state saying that we should oppose this bill they’re not saying they have concerns they saying that they opposed the bill and I can understand for them not being here because I’m even having trouble talking about this subject it’s personal to me too and I value life and I want choice in my healthcare and I don’t want no disrespect to my members but I don’t want any of you to interfere with that choice and decision in my healthcare so unfortunately I can’t support this bill and I just I think there’s other things we can do to avoid from women to be in those situations and I would support those I just don’t think this bill does that Senator Benson I was just going to just chair in your seat and not say anything to this subject but I’m looking at dr. wood Doug woods from MMA and I just want to point out his last paragraph that I find very disturbing says moreover this legislation would be what set a dangerous precedent by dictating the information that must be shared between a patient and their provider is there something wrong with that that that there should be an exchange and then furthers pay are best served when a patient and their healthcare team can communicate without interference this isn’t an interference spell this is about letting the patient know she has the right to have a look at the at the ultrasound so I I will continue to chair and use your gavel here but I I just wanted to point that out because we all have very strong opinions I believe around this table on this particular subject and I don’t think this bill is asking for that much thank you senator Rosen I’ve had the great privilege of working in a crisis pregnancy center for a number of years I don’t do it anymore but this is not easy and talking to women who don’t know how they’re gonna tell their parents and don’t know how they’re gonna tell their boyfriend they’re going through a lot and giving them one more breath and I’ve also talked to women who had abortions and how hard it was for them the gravity of this decision and we’re asking for one pause that if there is an image of a baby that the woman could see that that doctor just say would you like to see your older sound the gravity of the decision warrants the question that is all I have and I’d like to call up Reverend Dale Worthington the state director for Minnesota prayer caucus Network the network please I’m sorry I Wetherington it’s okay they’re everywhere thirteen please state your name right thank you madam chair members of the committee my name is Dale Witherington I am the state director for the Minnesota legislative prayer caucus we are a nationally affiliate affiliated congressional organization representing over 100,000 Americans who believe in protecting the religious liberties of all Americans preserving a judeo-christian heritage and promoting Prayer and I come to you today to ask you to support SF 1168 Minnesota has a proud history of protecting every Minnesotans right to be pro-choice in almost every area of life we believe in respecting the rights and opinions of people to live according to the dictates of their conscience and live the life they choose as long as their choices do not break the laws or infringe on the rights of other people this bill is exactly about a woman’s right to choose for most of my life the issue of a woman’s right to choose has been at the center of many heated political debates in virtually every community region and state in our great nation when this debate became major news over 50 years ago compared to today we had limited technology available to us to help us make the best decisions for our own health and for the health of our unborn children I’m guessing that each of us in this room today including those of you on this committee have somehow been touched in a positive way in your own life circumstances because of the achievements and advancements of medical technology perhaps you or someone you love is alive today because of those medical advancements ultrasound technology is one of those tremendously helpful advancements that’s meant to do a whole lot more than help expectant parents plan their next gender reveal party I am NOT a doctor but I am the parent of for the grandparent of six and the pastor to an awful lot of people who’ve given birth over my 40-plus career as in pastoral ministry I don’t think I need to be a licensed medical practitioner to convince any of us here on how helpful ultrasound technology has been in many of those pregnancies over the four plus decades the point is this every woman has the right to know the results of her ultrasound before sir sizing or right to have or not to have an abortion every woman has the right to have every bit of medical assistance available to her when she’s making the decision to Bertha life or stop a life this is about a woman’s right to choose please maintain Minnesota’s proud history don’t take away a woman’s right to access all available medical assistance including an ultrasound as she weighs her options whether to birth or terminate a child’s life thank you Thank You Reverend more than 10 senator Mathews thank you madam chair and thank you for the testimony that’s been shared and like you stated madam chair this is an issue that many of us feel deeply about all around this table and I support this because it is one very small step just requiring to ask a question as many questions need to be asked in in many different medical procedures but this bill is not reversing Roe versus Wade or outlawing abortion or getting in between what a final decision will be this is one small step of asking one simple question to make sure that all information has been considered that there’s one final moment of pause before a final decision that is irreversible and frankly would get in the way between a fetus and her doctor in the future and the gospel commands us to let the little children come and forbid them not because of such are the kingdom of heaven and if we’ve ever believed or repeated the phrase that that the industry has tried to use of saying we want this to be safe legal and rare then we should I’ll support an opportunity to make it just a little bit more rare than it is today and a colleague of mine on the other side recently made a comment on a different topic that I did think was fitting in saying that the measure of our humanity is measured by how we care for our most vulnerable and so I I do support this bill I hope that everybody will join me in that and I want to thank Senator Benson for bringing this forward senator Murray thank you madam chair I think I think I can guess they’re the majority of this committee and a majority of the Senate may not support abortion being a legal option for women I think some of us in the committee do very much believe it should be one and and when you’re saying oh this is not mandate on them this is not anything onerous this is just a minor change the people who in general don’t think it should be a legal option for women are putting up barriers and this is a I would argue a relatively small barrier in that process but it’s the first time we’re stepping in here in a way that I don’t think we should for political reasons to push an agenda that is telling we’re going to interfere with a doctor-patient relationship in the obstetricians gynecologist and Minnesota Medical Association others are saying we don’t want you to interfere in this process and it’s not being interfered in because we think that’s going to give better care it’s because some people want to make sure that we are not that it’s less likely there’s going to be an abortion and I think it’s something that I’m not female I’ve never been pregnant I’m a father of two proud father of two but I don’t think it’s my job or our job to be making these decisions for women and I think when the doctors are coming in and saying we are handling this well I think that’s a better way to deal with it and say we’re going to mandate that you must notify them that they have an option to do this I think one of the witnesses are one of the statements we were told somebody’s saying well when I had an abortion number of years ago I I asked for it and I wasn’t given the right to see it I was told I couldn’t see it to me we’re gonna get into more fighting I don’t think we should be interfering in that doctor-patient relationship for what I would argue is political purpose is to do this you and I have very different views of whether abortion should be legal or not but I don’t think that this is a help we’ve had this bill before we’ve had this bill number of times or bills like this I think several times before I’m sure we’re probably gonna have them again but I don’t think we’re making decisions that are helpful to our health care system you call it an industry senator Matthews I I think this is doctors and their patients making decisions that they should make not us and I don’t think this is a decision that’s designed to facilitate better doctor-patient relationships I think this is a decision is meant to facilitate what some people here would hope the outcome of those decisions I don’t support this bill I think it’s a mistake and I think it’s the biggest bill we before us but I don’t think it’s a step forward thank you Sarah Marty senator Whitman thank you madam chair as in prior years I want to also express my opposition to this bill I do not think it furthers care for women or helps them beyond what their doctors are required to provide to them in terms of care today and we are dictating language that they doctors would need to use in their in the process of working with patients and I strongly object to doing that patients are not better served by that being in there women already have the ability to decide what tests and what procedures they want to go through whether in terms of abortion or not and I believe doctors have responsibilities to their patients to make sure that they have the information about the tests that they they say that they’re going to provide that exists today we don’t need additional language and I think the purposes of the bill it’s not just innocuous to add this language I think it it’s it has a purpose and and I disagree with that purpose so I will be voting no again on this bill senator Benson your final comments if they’re I’m sorry senator Hayden I didn’t see you well thank you madam chair I guess we’ve had a lot of comments here I was interested in really listening especially to the women on the committee including Senator Benson about this I think that I really feel strongly about this is a decision that a woman makes and I wanted to hear the different sides of that and then of course as always we kind of jump in and want to start to comment on what women need to do with their own bodies I will say this and I grew up and still consider myself a Christian and and I take some exception to using references the religious references of references of the Bible in this conversation I don’t think that it is appropriate and with all due respect to the pastor’s on the table in the Dyess and the pastor’s that have come to testify that certainly you’re right but I had the same conversation with a pastor in my district about marriage and I was very clear and telling him that my job is to represent the people of my district some who are Christian some who are Jewish some who are Muslim and some who don’t believe and my job is to ensure that I listen to everybody and make the best decision and not let their particular doctrine their particular beliefs system drive my decision-making and so with that the people in my community overwhelmingly want to continue to make sure that the woman has the right to choose without these other interferences in this slippery slope that I think that we’re going down each and every year so I’m not gonna support the bill but I do take some objection without the respect to my good friend senator Matthews in the pasture that’s here don’t it’s not personalizing this I don’t want to want you guys to come and get me I still want you to pray for me but I just don’t think that this is the appropriate place to make those references to that point madam chair senator Hayden I will always keep you in my prayers senator Franzen thank you I just have a couple of just thoughts because sometimes we legislate with good intentions and they have unintended consequences and I’m a lawyer so I like to parse words online 3.21 it says during the course of a patient’s abortion I’m not sure when that is and here’s the scenario I’m thinking you know a lot of women might go and think of having a version because they’re not ready to be parents some women have no choice because their fetus is not viable so if we can think of that situation and requiring a parent a woman to have to look and in a ultrasound doing that painful procedure to begin with and I don’t know how you make an exception just the thought that not everyone’s going there because they have you know a choice of whether they want to be a parent whether they’re ready but there’s a lot of fertility issues and a lot of fetuses that are not viable in this world and and that is a loss and to put this I think in law might make those situations outright cruel so just keep that in mind if there’s a way that you can fix that language or just keep it in mind that this is not this is a very delicate situation in many cases and I would rather see this as a standard of care that it’s part like you mentioned we do ultrasounds already as the standard care you can ask this question as a standard here but why do we have to mandate it I think we can really trust our medical doctors and the standard of care that they’ve adopted as a profession so I would like to see that to be the way that we fix this issue Thank You senator madam chair there is an exception to the woman’s right to know if there is anomaly incompatible with life so to Senator Franzen initial point and and I would hope that these conversations would be the standard of care but we are going to make it clear in this language that if an ultrasounds performed that a woman has a right to see it should be offered we don’t need to keep the truth from women with that final comments Sara Benson thank you madam chair and and as we’ve as this conversation has evolved of bring you back to the beginning who’s the mother of a friend of my sons who learned about 3d ultrasounds and then a doctor who worked at an ultrasound clinic who had met with and worked with mothers and fathers who upon seeing their ultrasound changed their view of what was happening in their life that is a good thing it is good that when you have more information you realize that your life has changed and that you can make the best choices when you have the information about what is happening in your life that’s why this bill is here it’s based on my experience in a crisis pregnancy center it’s based on friends who have had abortions this isn’t here because I’m trying to hurt someone or take away a doctor’s rights this is because this is one of the very real conversations that we have as part of our public policy this isn’t about barriers this is because abortion does end a life and it changes the life of parents forever and it is worthy of our conversation and with that madam chair I’d ask that this be laid over thank you very much senator Benson and members um that was a very good conversation senator Benson thank you very much for bringing this bill forward and with that the meeting is adjourned [Music]

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  1. WHEN IT COMES TO A "CHOICE" TO TERMINATE A LIFE…..ESPECIALLY AN INNOCENT LIFE, THAT DID NOT ASK TO BE CREATED, BUT CREATED IT WAS….BY THE "PERSON" WHO IS MAKING THE "CHOICE" AND ANOTHER PERSON WHO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IN THAT "CHOICE"……I THINK IT SHOULD BE…..MANDATORY…..THAT AN ULTRASOUND SHOULD BE PERFORMED AND THE PERSON OR PERSONS MAKING THE "CHOICE"….NEED TO ….SHOULD BE MADE TO….LOOK, AT THAT ULTRASOUND, SO THAT THEY KNOW…..AND COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND…..THAT IS A LIFE….A HUMAN BEING…..THAT IS GROWING IN THAT WOMB!! THAT IS NOT………… A BLOB OF TISSUE THAT HAS NO FEELINGS. IT IS A PROVEN FACT, THAT THE FETUS WILL, BECAUSE OF NATURAL INSTINCTS OF SURVIVAL…..RUN FROM THAT "INTRUSION", IN THE WOMB, WHICH IS A….VACUUM, OR PAIR OF FORCEPS, OR WHATEVER "INSTRUMENT" BEING USED, THAT HAS THE ABSOLUTE AND FINAL INTENT TO RIP THEM LIMB FROM LIMB…..THAT INSTRUMENT IS THERE TO DO ONE THING AND ONE THING ONLY….TO KILL….THAT LIFE….TO TERMINATE IT, TO DESTROY IT. AND THAT…TO ME….IS A VERY VITAL AND CRITICAL….FACT….THAT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN AND DISCUSSED. IF THE CONTINUED ATTITUDE IS, "OH MY GOODNESS, THIS IS A PRIVATE MATTER THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BETWEEN A WOMAN AND HER DOCTOR", THEN THE CONTINUED LEVEL OF IGNORANCE THAT IS BEING PROMULGATED BY PRO CHOICE GROUPS, WILL CONTINUE TO GROW, AND MORE AND MORE MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE PROCEDURE AND WHAT THE FETUS ACTUALLY DOES FEEL AND THE REACTION OF THE FETUS TO WHAT IS BEING DONE, WILL BE CONSTRUED INTO SUCH A DECEITFUL "EXPLANATION", THAT IT WILL BECOME A GENOCIDAL NIGHTMARE, FROM WHICH THIS COUNTRY IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO IGNORE OR CHANGE, IN THE FUTURE. WE ARE NOW STARTING TO SEE A TREND BEGINNING, OF THERE BEING A REDUCTION, IN CHILD BIRTHS, NATIONWIDE. AND WHEN THAT NUMBER IS COMPARED TO ABORTIONS, IT SHOULD BE THE "RED FLAG" OR "ALARM BELL" THAT TELLS THIS WORLD, "HEY…..MAYBE THIS ISN'T REALLY A ""GOOD"" THING WE'RE DOING HERE". RESPONSIBLE SEXING, IS THE TOPIC, THAT SHOULD BE TAUGHT, DISCUSSED AND PROMOTED. NOT, "EVERYTHING WILL BE JUST FINE, WE HAVE A SAFE AND SPEEDY SOLUTION TO YOUR "PROBLEM", THAT WILL HAVE YOU BACK TO YOUR NORMAL LIFE, TO GO MAKE THE SAME…UH-OH…AGAIN, AND THEN JUST C'MON BACK AND WE'LL GET YOU FIXED BACK UP AGAIN…..NO PROBLEMS, NO WORRY, NO FUSS, AND NO ONE HAS TO KNOW."…………..I'LL FINISH WITH THIS STATEMENT AND FOOD FOR THOUGHT………. MY GRANDMOTHER ALWAYS HAD THIS TO SAY, "IF YOU'RE SAYING OR DOING ANYTHING, THAT YOU ARE AFRAID OF SOMEONE ELSE SEEING, HEARING OR FINDING OUT ABOUT…..THEN YOU SHOULD REALLY QUESTION WHAT IT IS YOU'RE SAYING OR DOING…..BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T OPENLY SAY OR DO WHATEVER IT IS…….THEN IT MUST BE WRONG………AND THAT FEAR OF REVELATION…..IS THE HAND OF GOD, SMACKING YOU ON YOUR BUTT, SAYING…..UH-UH, NO-NO, DON'T DO THAT, YOU'RE WRONG!!"…AMEN

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